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Versys 1000 => Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring => Topic started by: Bike_nerd on April 21, 2017, 03:17:56 AM

Title: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on April 21, 2017, 03:17:56 AM
For anyone interested in having both headlights active for better visibility and appearance, Skene is coming out with a new controller built for this purpose.  I ordered one  to test, with the promise that I can return it for a full refund if I'm not satisfied with it.  Part number is IQ-270 (High Beam Controller).  It is designed to light the OEM 55 watt highbeam at a brightness that is programmable between 0 and 100% in 10% increments.  Seems to do the same thing as the Doubletronics product but at a lower cost (US$60). I plan to install it this weekend.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: tall-mike on April 21, 2017, 04:14:09 AM
I think a lot of folks would like to hear your review on this.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Halesowen Kid on April 21, 2017, 05:18:18 PM
Please post updates....
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: fasteddie on April 21, 2017, 05:30:30 PM
Im a big fan of the regular skeene visibility lights.  I use front and rear "photon blasters."  It's well made stuff.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on April 28, 2017, 06:57:58 AM
Well this week, I upgraded the OEM headlights to PIAA Night Tech units and also completed the installation of the new Skene IQ-270 module.  It's quite tiny and I ended up installing it on the back side of the instrument cluster with the included 3M velcro-type stuff.

I already had the fairings stripped to wire up my power outlets and install the new headlight bulbs.  For the Skene module, I took a battery feed from my fuse block under the seat and routed it up to the front.  The module also requires a few milliamps from a switched ignition feed which I took from the accessory power outlet connection.  I took a ground from a bolt near the regulator module on the left side.  The only other connections are to the high beam lamp (one to the switched feed and the other one to the bulb itself).  All in all, a straight forward installation.  You can set the brightness between 0 and 100% to match the brightness of the low beam.  When you hit the high-beam switch, it goes to 100%.  Haven't test ridden the bike in the dark yet, but they look pretty good in the garage.  I hope to go for a ride this weekend as the weather is finally getting better.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: 190 Octane on May 10, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
I have a 275-A from an old LED driving light install on the self.  I've thought about wiring it up to do this.  It looks like the 275-A would work the same way in driving light mode.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on May 10, 2017, 04:07:11 AM
*Originally Posted by 190 Octane [+]
I have a 275-A from an old LED driving light install on the self.  I've thought about wiring it up to do this.  It looks like the 275-A would work the same way in driving light mode.

Could work.  If in doubt, shoot Bill Skene an e-mail.  They are very good to deal with.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: davpag1 on May 15, 2017, 02:28:37 AM
*Originally Posted by Bike_nerd [+]
Could work.  If in doubt, shoot Bill Skene an e-mail.  They are very good to deal with.

Tried emailing these guys, never replied. Do you have a direct email address, as I used the one in their web page.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on May 15, 2017, 03:54:39 AM
Try this one:

bill@skenedesign.com

Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: davpag1 on July 14, 2017, 02:28:30 AM
Have now ordered my unit. Helpful company.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on July 14, 2017, 02:50:00 AM
*Originally Posted by davpag1 [+]
Have now ordered my unit. Helpful company.

I think you will be very happy with the product.  I have mine set so the high and low beams are both the same brightness.  Won't bother oncoming traffic, but makes you more visible and the bike looks so much better with both headlights lit.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: davpag1 on July 19, 2017, 09:03:01 AM
*Originally Posted by Bike_nerd [+]
I think you will be very happy with the product.  I have mine set so the high and low beams are both the same brightness.  Won't bother oncoming traffic, but makes you more visible and the bike looks so much better with both headlights lit.
So what was the settings you used to get the highlights equal brightness?
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on July 21, 2017, 01:53:06 AM
*Originally Posted by davpag1 [+]
So what was the settings you used to get the highlights equal brightness?

I put it into programming mode by turning on the key, starting the engine and waiting for the confirmation flash.  Then I kept cycling the highbeam switch on-off until they looked about the same.  Each click changes the brightness by 10%. Once you get to max brightness, it goes back to minumum and starts over again.  I had to do it a couple of times to be sure but it seems good now.  :028:
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Peter629 on July 22, 2017, 08:31:31 PM
As both wires from the bulb are black, how do you know which one is the ground and which is the bikes high beam wire?
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Bike_nerd on July 23, 2017, 06:13:32 AM
*Originally Posted by Peter629 [+]
As both wires from the bulb are black, how do you know which one is the ground and which is the bikes high beam wire?

There are a few ways to do this.

You can use either a test light (the type with a sharp probe) to poke into the connector or wire, or a volt meter to check which of the two wires is at 12 volts when the high beam switch is on.  The bike will have to be running for this to work.  Attach the ground lead from the test light or meter to battery negative or to a good frame ground. Unplug the connector that goes to the high beam.  Probe the two contacts in the connector to see which one lights up the test light or shows 12-14 volts on the volt meter when the high beam switch is turned on.

Another way to do it would be to use an ohmmeter to measure which of the two wires is connected to ground.  The wire that is connected to ground will show very low resistance (0-1 ohms) on the meter.  This is a passive measurement so the bike does not have to be running.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Peter629 on July 25, 2017, 02:49:10 AM
I finished wiring the  skene controller on my 2015. It is a nice bit of kit. I did email the company a couple of times with questions, and they replied very quickly. Installation was not too difficult and I would recommend it. Do keep in mind that your high beam light will always be on, so if you find that annoying, then it may not be for you. Thank you for this post, I hated the one light headlight
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on September 05, 2017, 11:53:57 PM
Just ordered mine also. I see that @BillfromSkene is watching this thread, so I guess that's a good sign, right?
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on September 06, 2017, 08:10:56 AM
Welcome along   senpai71, thanks for the information regarding the Skene adaption

I have looked into purchasing this modification but shipping costs to the U.K and potential customs + V.A.T charges are a little prohibitive  (obviously this is no fault of Skene).

However I may well bite the bullet as the 'cyclops ' appearance of my bike is not very attractive  !  Plus the Skene adaption will probably further improve my visibility to other road users   :028:   
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Paul_Smith on September 06, 2017, 02:42:13 PM
*Originally Posted by Bike_nerd [+]
Well this week, I upgraded the OEM headlights to PIAA Night Tech units and also completed the installation of the new Skene IQ-270 module.  It's quite tiny and I ended up installing it on the back side of the instrument cluster with the included 3M velcro-type stuff.

I already had the fairings stripped to wire up my power outlets and install the new headlight bulbs.  For the Skene module, I took a battery feed from my fuse block under the seat and routed it up to the front.  The module also requires a few milliamps from a switched ignition feed which I took from the accessory power outlet connection.  I took a ground from a bolt near the regulator module on the left side.  The only other connections are to the high beam lamp (one to the switched feed and the other one to the bulb itself).  All in all, a straight forward installation.  You can set the brightness between 0 and 100% to match the brightness of the low beam.  When you hit the high-beam switch, it goes to 100%.  Haven't test ridden the bike in the dark yet, but they look pretty good in the garage.  I hope to go for a ride this weekend as the weather is finally getting better.
I don't get what you mean by "Same brightness". Both bulbs are the same, it is just that the reflectors that point the light in different directions.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Sonny on September 06, 2017, 03:44:15 PM
I assume that on a split system as provided on our bike, the high beam's reflector not only aims higher but also focuses the beam more narrowly, and the controller reduces wattage to the bulb so an oncoming driver can take it more easily "right in the eye." Skene users, is this the idea?
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: fasteddie on September 06, 2017, 04:13:01 PM
The brightness of the highbeam can be adjusted in increments very easily upon startup.  So although it is aimed differently, you can adjust the intensity to avoid blinding anyone while it's active.  It's only about being conspicuous.  Someone on your left side will notice you easier with that left lens lit up, right?  Not a perfect solution, but better than having nothing on that left side.  I'm installing mine tonight.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: BillfromSkene on September 06, 2017, 10:31:20 PM
Hello Folks,

The high beam lens is angled differently than the low beam lens. The IQ-270-A controller allows you to adjust the brightness level of the bulb in the high beam lens so that it is not blinding to oncoming traffic.  The default is 20% and that is adjustable through the programming mode so that you can determine which brightness level works best for your bike to:  provide a balanced look, make you more conspicuous, and put more light on the road.  The high beam still goes to its 100% brightness level when the high switch is turned on.

Installation details can be found here:  https://www.skenelights.com/installation-iq-270-a
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on September 07, 2017, 07:14:55 AM
Brilliant  Bill (no pun intended ) thanks for the explanation, even I  can understand that   :028:   

I dont suppose you can arrange free U.K shipment can you ?   :008: ........I  am joking of course   :002:   8

Seriously,  is there a U.K distributor   :question:   
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: BillfromSkene on September 07, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
Hello TYKE,

We do have a UK distributor for our products, but I do not believe they have any of our new IQ-270-A in stock.  The reseller is Adventure Bike Shop so please ask if they will carry it.  The url is:  https://www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/

Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on September 07, 2017, 07:39:55 PM
*Originally Posted by BillfromSkene [+]
Hello TYKE,

We do have a UK distributor for our products, but I do not believe they have any of our new IQ-270-A in stock.  The reseller is Adventure Bike Shop so please ask if they will carry it.  The url is:  https://www.adventurebikeshop.co.uk/

That's great, thanks Bill, I have dealt with adventurebike shop previously, and didn't think to check them out

I'll follow your advice and contact them, it could be that others on here will do the same

Thanks again.   :002:   
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Motor_psycho on September 08, 2017, 06:04:47 PM
Bill, Thanks for inventing this product. I've been reading about some "home-brewed" attempts on this cyclops problem. Plus from your site I find the solution to my too bright LED lights.

This bike needs a turn signal cancelling device like the Kisan.

Thanks for your hard work
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on September 08, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
I have contacted Adventurebikeshop and received immediately the response below, I reckon that if there is enough demand than they will put some into stock.   :028: 


Hi Roger
 
Not seen these before myself and they did not mention them to me when I did my last order, I could add these to my next order but I have only just had a delivery from Skene so I donít need any new stock at the moment, sales of everything are very  slow at the moment so I do not expect to order again from Skene for probably about another two months, unless that is I had several orders for these which would be enough to justify the cost of shipping, customs etc, price would probably be £75 by the time I have covered shipping, duty and VAT
 
If you can get a few others interested I would get some shipped over sooner

Cheers

Cliff
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on September 12, 2017, 09:06:23 PM
*Originally Posted by Peter629 [+]
I finished wiring the  skene controller on my 2015. It is a nice bit of kit. I did email the company a couple of times with questions, and they replied very quickly. Installation was not too difficult and I would recommend it. Do keep in mind that your high beam light will always be on, so if you find that annoying, then it may not be for you. Thank you for this post, I hated the one light headlight

@Peter629, when you say "Do keep in mind that your high beam light will always be on", you mean the bright blue hi-beam indicator on the dash, correct?

FWIW, I've hit a snag. Well, more a lack of understanding on my part...

I followed the instructions as follows (supplied with the module and also online at https://www.skenelights.com/installation-iq-270-a):


Questions:

1. For #1 above, can the "any ground connector" include the ground wire to the hi-beam bulb itself?
2. For #4/#5 above, can anyone point me to a suitable fused and/or switched circuit?

In the attached picture, I've attached the black wire to the hi-beam ground wire, and done all the other connections, except for the violet wire and the red wire (#4 and #5).

This is probably an easy question/answer, and however it gets figured out (either by me or by someone else pointing me to the right answer, I'll let y'all know. I'm also going to email Bill Skene, but since this module is designed for numerous bikes,not just the Versys, I figured one of you would know the answer just as quickly.

Thanks in advance!

UPDATE

Bill Skene responded to me within about 15 minutes! Just...fantastic :) Bill, mate, you're setting a very high bar for any other product vendors, y'know!

Anyway, his answer to my first question is yes, you can simply tap the black module wire to the ground wire of the hi-beam itself. So that's good - my photo is fine as-is.

He's going to look into my second question, but he had this response:

"You might be able to tap the positive wire going to the low beam, I just donít know off hand if that can support the draw from both bulbs."

Anyone here got any idea whether the low beam positive can take the draw from both bulbs?
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on September 13, 2017, 07:19:33 PM
OK, it's all complete, and working like a charm.

FWIW, I tapped the black module wire to the ground wire of the hi-beam itself, and I tapped the violet and red module wires to the hot wire for the low beam headlight. The only downside is it's not as 'neat' as I would have liked - those two last wires are draped across under the dash. Nothing a little bit of electrical tape can't fix. No problems (yet!) with having a too high of a draw on the low beam hot wire, but I assume that if the draw was too great, it would just blow a fuse...

As @Peter629 said "Do keep in mind that your high beam light (on the dash) will always be on". So it's not easy to tell whether you have your high beam actually on - you have to flash the passing switch to see if anything gets any brighter.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Ezy on December 29, 2017, 03:08:03 AM
Well, I finally got around to fitting my Skene kit on Boxing day, along with the new driving lights. Very easy to fit I thought, even though it was 36 degrees (Celcius) 90% RH and I was sweating like a catholic priest at a choir boys recital. I didn't use the connectors supplied, I used my own. I did it all at the module/relay's on the left hand side of the bike, because I wasnt really interested in trying to get to the back of the headlights. It's great bit of kit I thought, but the only problem I seem to have is I can only set the high beam to about 40% before my driving lights also come on ( whilst still on low beam). I have taken the feed for the driving lights off the line (bike) side of the high beam wire with white/orange wires, which should be constant 12v. More investigation is required me thinks. Anyone had a similar problem. Good part about the whole thing is, Now I can melt the retina's out of a kangaroo at 300mtrs!
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on December 29, 2017, 08:17:08 AM
I'm definitely not a wiring guru, nor can I offer advice, but it sounds to me that you have taken a feed from your driving lights and that is where there may be an issue...others will no doubt be along to help

You could always send a P.M to Billfromskene, who has posted in this thread, aI'm sure he will be able to help

Good luck  :028: 
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Crosshairs on December 31, 2017, 03:22:42 PM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
"Do keep in mind that your high beam light (on the dash) will always be on". So it's not easy to tell whether you have your high beam actually on - you have to flash the passing switch to see if anything gets any brighter.

Well thats rather stupid.....if Im going to have the indicator on all the time, i certainly dont need this contraption
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Paul_Smith on January 02, 2018, 03:09:49 PM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
OK, it's all complete, and working like a charm.

FWIW, I tapped the black module wire to the ground wire of the hi-beam itself, and I tapped the violet and red module wires to the hot wire for the low beam headlight. The only downside is it's not as 'neat' as I would have liked - those two last wires are draped across under the dash. Nothing a little bit of electrical tape can't fix. No problems (yet!) with having a too high of a draw on the low beam hot wire, but I assume that if the draw was too great, it would just blow a fuse...

As @Peter629 said "Do keep in mind that your high beam light (on the dash) will always be on". So it's not easy to tell whether you have your high beam actually on - you have to flash the passing switch to see if anything gets any brighter.
Sorry, but Crosshairs is right, there is something very wrong if the indicator is on when it shouldn't be. The only earth on the entire bike that you can not use is the high beam earth. Using it means you are leaking power through the high beam circuit when you shouldn't be and that is why your indicator is on. Take the black off the high beam earth wire and put it to ground as the instructions tell you and send a note to Bill telling him to make this much clearer! 

If you are using LED bulbs with a draw of 30watts or less, then the rest of your wiring should be borderline OK, but otherwise I would suggest you re-consider how you have it wired. The low beam is already pretty skinny and, unless you have upgraded to LEDS or are running via relays, it is already under its near max safe load. The fuse will only blow if the draw exceeds the limit of the fuse, but that is a lot higher then the safe load on the wire to allow for brief bursts of draw or temporary low voltage conditions. The risk of exceeding that safe load is that you are putting increased heat through every component and connection in the system which increases wear and the likelyhood of failure, and any failure with the way you currently have it wired will leave you with no lights at all.

It is alright to use instructions as mere suggestions when you know what you are doing, but if you are not completely certain, then it is always safer to assume the person who wrote the instructions was. If you follow their instructions and it still doesn't work, it is their fault. If you don't follow the instructions... you have only yourself to blame. 
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on January 03, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
[...]It is alright to use instructions as mere suggestions when you know what you are doing, but if you are not completely certain, then it is always safer to assume the person who wrote the instructions was. If you follow their instructions and it still doesn't work, it is their fault. If you don't follow the instructions... you have only yourself to blame.
@Paul_Smith,

Not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic, but...

Clearly I thought the instructions aren't entirely clear. That's why I a) posted questions on this forum, including fairly detailed pictures and b) contacted Bill from Skene directly. If you read my post, it was Bill who suggested using (or at least confirmed that it was OK to use) the high beam ground. So I followed the instructions, and when I wasn't certain what to do, I asked people who know better, including the guy who wrote the instructions! I'm honestly not sure what anyone else (you?) would have done differently.

As far as the high beam indicator light being on all the time, it was another poster who first saw that. Once I saw the same thing, I guessed it was a limitation of the product. If not, that's great - I'll try using a different ground and report back.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Paul_Smith on January 03, 2018, 04:54:03 PM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
@Paul_Smith,

Not sure if you're trying to be sarcastic, but...

Clearly I thought the instructions aren't entirely clear. That's why I a) posted questions on this forum, including fairly detailed pictures and b) contacted Bill from Skene directly. If you read my post, it was Bill who suggested using (or at least confirmed that it was OK to use) the high beam ground. So I followed the instructions, and when I wasn't certain what to do, I asked people who know better, including the guy who wrote the instructions! I'm honestly not sure what anyone else (you?) would have done differently.

As far as the high beam indicator light being on all the time, it was another poster who first saw that. Once I saw the same thing, I guessed it was a limitation of the product. If not, that's great - I'll try using a different ground and report back.
I haven't seen what Bill actually said, only what you said he said, and I would be disappointed if he did say you could tap into the high beam earth without adding some qualification for the reasons I have already given. I was trying to be tactful, not sarcastic, but I must admit that I am tempted now.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on January 03, 2018, 05:21:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
I haven't seen what Bill actually said, only what you said he said, and I would be disappointed if he did say you could tap into the high beam earth without adding some qualification for the reasons I have already given. I was trying to be tactful, not sarcastic, but I must admit that I am tempted now.
Oh FFS!

Given the lengths I went to to ask questions, add updated information and provide photos, I would have thought that it's pretty clear that I was trying to get very explicit answers to my questions and I was trying to help anyone else who might have similar questions themselves... So don't you think that if Bill had said "NO, FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T TAP INTO THE HIGH BEAM GROUND WIRE" or even just "Yes, you can tap into that, but you might see issues with X, Y or Z" I would have said so?

Oh wait, I did say so - I explicitly pointed out the warning he provided about the current draw, and asked a question to the forum.

FWIW, I too am trying to be tactful. But at this point, I don't see any sense in continuing this conversation with you, except to say the following:


Finally, none of this is meant in any way to say anything other than that I think the Skene controller is fantastic, and I really appreciate the help from Bill in answering my questions. I even appreciate your initial comment - it was only the final paragraph that got my back up.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on January 03, 2018, 08:54:11 PM
Bike nerd was the O.P of this thread, which was  straight forward and uncomplicated.

I become increasingly frustrated at how a straight forward posting can become so agitated, personalised and unproductive.

I could say more........a lot more.......but have decided not to add any fuel to the fire.

FWIW...... I am still interested in the Skene conversion  :whistle:   





Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Crosshairs on January 03, 2018, 08:57:50 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
Bike nerd was the O.P of this thread, which was  straight forward and uncomplicated.

I become increasingly frustrated at how a straight forward posting can become so agitated, personalised and unproductive.

I could say more........a lot more.......but have decided not to add any fuel to the fire.

FWIW...... I am still interested in the Skene conversion  :whistle:   

I have one sitting here on my desk unopened and considering what Im reading I doubt very much I will be fitting it to my bike.

I dont know what it would cost to post it to England, but I could potentiality save you some money if you decide to buy one
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on January 03, 2018, 09:11:49 PM
*Originally Posted by Crosshairs [+]
I have one sitting here on my desk unopened and considering what Im reading I doubt very much I will be fitting it to my bike.

I dont know what it would cost to post it to England, but I could potentiality save you some money if you decide to buy one
Crosshairs (and TYKE),

All else being equal, I've actually found it to be great at "run-time" - it does exactly what it says it should do. If TYKE and Paul_Smith are correct and the high beam indicator light being on are indicative of poor installation by me, then I'd suggest you hold up, at least for a couple of days, until I've determined whether that problem is directly due to me tapping to the high beam ground. FWIW, I wasn't the only person who saw this problem (Peter_629 first saw it), but he may have made a similar mistake to me.

In any event, I'm going to take the fairings off tonight and put the ground wire onto a 'proper' ground and see if that resolves the problem. If it does, then it's clear that I'm at fault and in that case I would unreservedly recommend this.

Basically, don't decide not to install it simply on the basis of a forum disagreement between two people you've never met... :)
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Crosshairs on January 03, 2018, 09:17:50 PM
 :152: :152:
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on January 03, 2018, 09:22:56 PM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
Crosshairs (and TYKE),

All else being equal, I've actually found it to be great at "run-time" - it does exactly what it says it should do. If TYKE and Paul_Smith are correct and the high beam indicator light being on are indicative of poor installation by me, then I'd suggest you hold up, at least for a couple of days, until I've determined whether that problem is directly due to me tapping to the high beam ground. FWIW, I wasn't the only person who saw this problem (Peter_629 first saw it), but he may have made a similar mistake to me.

In any event, I'm going to take the fairings off tonight and put the ground wire onto a 'proper' ground and see if that resolves the problem. If it does, then it's clear that I'm at fault and in that case I would unreservedly recommend this.

Basically, don't decide not to install it simply on the basis of a forum disagreement between two people you've never met... :)

Well said sir,   :020:   

I didn't intend to give any impression that I was offering advice regarding your electrical installation,  anyone who knows me will confirm that I am only just able to wire up a household plug     :goggle:   



Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: solidback on January 04, 2018, 07:40:37 AM
The high beam warning light is part of the high beam circuit, so why would it not light when power is passing through the circuit?
I am no expert, it just seems logical, and it's what others have experienced...

http://www.other.com/forums/170-technical-discussion-v-650/131026-skene-iq-270-alert-intelligent-high-beam-controller-install.html (http://www.other.com/forums/170-technical-discussion-v-650/131026-skene-iq-270-alert-intelligent-high-beam-controller-install.html)
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on January 04, 2018, 08:14:49 PM
Well it appears that the issue with the high beam indicator staying on is a known limitation of the product (which, as @solidback says above, may not be surprising):

(from https://www.skenelights.com/installation-iq-270-a):

When the controller is installed, the high beam indicator light may be lit at reduced brightness when the high beam switch is off.

I think that page is an updated version of the installation instructions, since I don't remember seeing that note when I did the installation...

FWIW, I moved the ground wire so that it's using its own ground directly, rather than tapping into the high beam ground. I am also figuring out the running of a dedicated hot wire, rather than using the low beam hot wire.

Despite the issue of the permanent indicator, I still really like the IQ-270 - because I only use the high beam at 20%, the high beam indicator light is pretty dim unless the high beams are actually on. Not a deal-breaker for me, but YMMV.

However...

After all of this back and forth over the past few weeks, I am probably going to eventually replace the IQ-270 with a headlight modulator (probably a Signal Dynamics, since I had that on my old Triumph Sprint ST and liked it a lot)!

Basically, the benefit of having both lights on (looks more 'balanced', more overall light, maybe more visible) is outweighed for me by the goal of making the bike much more visible - I commute in the San Francisco Bay Area, and have to split lanes a lot, and surprisingly, the Versys actually seems less visible than the Triumph, even though it's higher (and orange!) - I suspect this is because the headlight on the Versys is higher, and it doesn't line up with car driver's mirrors in the way the Triumph did. Even without a modulator, splitting lanes onthe Triumph caused a "parting of the Red Sea" kind of thing, which I don't see with the Versys, even with the IQ-270. Perhaps adding a modulator will help... If I add one, I'll document the whole thing - I can already see where there might be issues with the rubber bulb covers...

Of course, if I do that, I'll have an IQ-270 going cheap!
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Paul_Smith on January 05, 2018, 11:43:30 PM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
Well it appears that the issue with the high beam indicator staying on is a known limitation of the product (which, as @solidback says above, may not be surprising):

(from https://www.skenelights.com/installation-iq-270-a):

When the controller is installed, the high beam indicator light may be lit at reduced brightness when the high beam switch is off.

I think that page is an updated version of the installation instructions, since I don't remember seeing that note when I did the installation...

FWIW, I moved the ground wire so that it's using its own ground directly, rather than tapping into the high beam ground. I am also figuring out the running of a dedicated hot wire, rather than using the low beam hot wire.

Despite the issue of the permanent indicator, I still really like the IQ-270 - because I only use the high beam at 20%, the high beam indicator light is pretty dim unless the high beams are actually on. Not a deal-breaker for me, but YMMV.

However...

After all of this back and forth over the past few weeks, I am probably going to eventually replace the IQ-270 with a headlight modulator (probably a Signal Dynamics, since I had that on my old Triumph Sprint ST and liked it a lot)!

Basically, the benefit of having both lights on (looks more 'balanced', more overall light, maybe more visible) is outweighed for me by the goal of making the bike much more visible - I commute in the San Francisco Bay Area, and have to split lanes a lot, and surprisingly, the Versys actually seems less visible than the Triumph, even though it's higher (and orange!) - I suspect this is because the headlight on the Versys is higher, and it doesn't line up with car driver's mirrors in the way the Triumph did. Even without a modulator, splitting lanes onthe Triumph caused a "parting of the Red Sea" kind of thing, which I don't see with the Versys, even with the IQ-270. Perhaps adding a modulator will help... If I add one, I'll document the whole thing - I can already see where there might be issues with the rubber bulb covers...

Of course, if I do that, I'll have an IQ-270 going cheap!
I think I probably need to apologise to you; when I questioned your report of Bills reponse, I wasn't questioning you, I meant to say that I would be disappointed in Bill if that was all he said. Of course you 'can' use the high beam earth, you are already doing so and every thing (expect the indicator) is working. If the Bill didn't warn you that using that earth would cause that effect then either he should have, or the device he made has an internal fault that leaks power through that circuit which he should have known about. Either way, I would be disappointed in Bill. He is a very nice person and tries to be very helpful, but my experience of his kit has not been excellent. 

Like you, I would far prefer to have both lights on and bought an IQ-275 in an (unsuccessful) attempt to achieve that. Mine is stuck in fog light mode so putting full beam on turns  the accessory lights off which is the opposite of what I wanted it. It is going cheap if anybody wants it.

I still get most of the 'parting of the waters' effect I am looking for by having LED headlight bulbs and LED sidelights and a pair of LED accessory lights:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01C8DKKE2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01C8DKKE2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016N9NAOE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016N9NAOE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retrofit-W2-1x9-5d-interior-2850CW-02B-passenger/dp/B00I798TKO/ref=pd_nav_hcs_bia_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=K6D26KQJP1RY52RH1HJH&th=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Retrofit-W2-1x9-5d-interior-2850CW-02B-passenger/dp/B00I798TKO/ref=pd_nav_hcs_bia_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=K6D26KQJP1RY52RH1HJH&th=1)
but it is nothing near as effective as the twin HIDs I used to have on a Yamaha Fazer.

I do know a little bit about simple electrical circuits and for the the indicator light to come on requires current to flow through it. If it is getting current when the high beam switch is open, then it can only come from the controller, which it shouldn't. By using the high beam earth, the circuit is completed and the indicator glows. I would be very interested to know if the indicator still illuminates when not using the high beam earth, as that would suggest there might be more than one internal issue with the controller. Either way, sorry for causing you offense, that was not my intention.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: senpai71 on January 06, 2018, 12:58:03 AM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
I think I probably need to apologise to you; when I questioned your report of Bills reponse, I wasn't questioning you, I meant to say that I would be disappointed in Bill if that was all he said.[...] Either way, sorry for causing you offense, that was not my intention.
No worries - we're all good :) Forum disagreements are all part of life's rich pageant... :)

What you say about high beam current 'bypassing' the high beam switch (and that's why the indicator light is on permanently) makes some sense, but it continued to happen even when I used a separate earth (attaching to a bolt). So my brain is a bit fried...

Like I said, I like the product, but I'm going for a modulator. The option of adding additional lights is more than I want to go with right now. Maybe next year, when I win the lottery...
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Paul_Smith on January 07, 2018, 12:48:23 AM
That is really disappointing. It is not as if it is even a difficult circuit to design. This took me about ten minutes: https://easyeda.com/normal/IQ_270-936a5759a0dc4828bc54e8608856b3ed (https://easyeda.com/normal/IQ_270-936a5759a0dc4828bc54e8608856b3ed) No guarantees that it will show up correctly, as I haven't used this tool before, but (on my computer) it shows how the IQ-270 should work. Notice that there is absolutely no way that power can get to the indicator unless one of the high beam switches is closed. I would be inclined to ask for your money back. At least it would help towards your modulator.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: BillfromSkene on January 12, 2018, 09:17:58 PM
In order to clear up any confusion that may have been caused by this thread, a description on the operation of the IQ-270-A is warranted.

The IQ-270-A operates as follows:

When the high beam is on the IQ-270-A conducts voltage from the high beam wire coming from the bikeís harness to the high beam bulbís wire, just like on a stock bike without the IQ-270-A.

When the high beam is off the IQ-270-A conducts a lower, programmable amount of voltage to the high beam bulbís wire.

An inherent and fundamental characteristic of the switching transistors used in the IQ-270-A is that they conduct the voltage on the high beam bulbís connection back to the bikeís high beam wire. This is what turns on the bikeís high beam indicator light. Note that this light will come on only at the reduced brightness setting that is selected to match the brightness of the low beam, which is typically 40 - 70% of its maximum brightness..

Itís likely that if you replace the bikeís incandescent high beam indicator bulb with an LED indicator bulb that the difference in brightness between fully on in high beam mode and partially on in low beam mode will be much more noticeable.

Note that the high beamís ground wire is not involved with the high beam indicator, as the indicator bulb has its own ground wire. Whether the high beamís ground is used or not will have no impact on the behavior of the indicator. There is no ďleakageĒ through this ground wire. It is simply another connection to the common ground circuit on the bike.

It is possible to have the high beam indicator stay off until the high beam switch is activated by inserting a diode in the orange/white wire. A suitable diode (cost $1) is:

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/diodes-incorporated/SBR12A45SD1-T/SBR12A45SD1-TDICT-ND/3451530

I have attached a drawing of this.
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: TYKE on January 12, 2018, 09:30:24 PM
Perfect Bill, I'm sure everyone will join me in thanking you for your explanation   
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: dketchum on January 13, 2018, 01:21:13 AM
Thanks Bill.
Diode being ordered..😉
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: dketchum on January 20, 2018, 11:43:18 PM
*Originally Posted by dketchum [+]
Thanks Bill.
Diode being ordered..😉

Installed the Diode today...did exactly what bill said it would..no more high beam indicator light unless I turn them on. 😉
Title: Re: New Skene Controller
Post by: Sonny on January 21, 2018, 12:10:40 AM
How bout that... direct customer service right on yr. favorite forum.  :37:

I rolled the Orange Sunshine out after 2 weeks locked in the garage. She started instantly and ran with silky smoothness and perfection. It's always a thrill: if you're up to riding well, the Versys is a precision instrument.

I rechecked the rider sag at 27%, rebounds on a good push go about 1/2in. past the stopping point, once, and settle. The setup feels fantastic, rock solid handling. What a great bike, what a shame to ever have to park it.  :7: