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Title: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 10, 2016, 07:27:28 PM
Hit 5k miles this weekend coming back from OK.  Rear tire (OEM BS T30) is worn out!   5,000 miles!  Not buying those.   The front still looks like it has almost half the thread left, not cupped or wearing funny. 

Is the T30 EVO a totally different tire compared to the T30?

Thinking of getting Avons.  Some of you liked them, right?
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Westie on October 10, 2016, 07:38:02 PM
Watching for replies on this one as I will be needing a new rear very soon.All advice taken on board.Good luck.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 10, 2016, 08:02:58 PM
Now, I'm kinda thinking of getting just a T30 Evo for the rear and running the similar pair until the front wears out.   Cheap option for the time being.

I see American Motorcycle tire has the rear EVO in a GT spec and regular flavor ($126.35 shipped).


Anybody run the GT?,  Side walls too rigid? 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 11, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Hit 5k miles this weekend coming back from OK.  Rear tire (OEM BS T30) is worn out!   5,000 miles!  Not buying those.   The front still looks like it has almost half the thread left, not cupped or wearing funny. 

Is the T30 EVO a totally different tire compared to the T30?

Thinking of getting Avons.  Some of you liked them, right?

Don't want to disappoint you, but so far, of the 3 other tires I've tried, the OEM rear Stone lasted the longest. I got ~6k out of mine. My current Metz Roadtec 01 will probably match it, but I doubt it'll last much longer. I have about 5200 miles on it now. It's worn incredibly nicely with no noticeable flat spots, but it's quickly becoming a racing slick...
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Bayonet on October 11, 2016, 03:04:26 PM
I've just received a new set of Avon Storm 2s this afternoon, after being very happy with the set I have worn out. Will see if I get time to fit them this weekend. £150 inc delivery.

Done 12,400 miles on the current set, rear is slightly square and close to 1.5mm left in the centre of the tread, front is still looking okay if a bit tired.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: vagrant on October 11, 2016, 07:23:32 PM
*Originally Posted by saddlebag [+]
Don't want to disappoint you, but so far, of the 3 other tires I've tried, the OEM rear Stone lasted the longest. I got ~6k out of mine. My current Metz Roadtec 01 will probably match it, but I doubt it'll last much longer. I have about 5200 miles on it now. It's worn incredibly nicely with no noticeable flat spots, but it's quickly becoming a racing slick...

too bad. I was going to try these next after liking the Z6 so much.
looks like now I will try the storms next unless there is another super low closeout price next spring.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 11, 2016, 07:40:31 PM
I just ordered a new set of EVO's for 225 bucks.  5k is not satisfactory mileage as far as I'm concerned, but wtf. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on October 11, 2016, 08:03:44 PM
I swear by Avon Storm 3D XMs.  Unpresedented mileage.  I have never had a tyre on any bike that I have owned (38 of em) that does more than 5 thousand miles, The Storm 3 Ds double that, just amazing. Good grip, even when the roads wet.  Fantastic all round tyre that is just perfect for the big V. :152:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 11, 2016, 08:29:08 PM
*Originally Posted by vagrant [+]
too bad. I was going to try these next after liking the Z6 so much.
looks like now I will try the storms next unless there is another super low closeout price next spring.

The Avon guy is in England. Cooler and rainier than Georgia. They also don't have your twisty roads. Road surfaces probably different too.
If you get anything that sticks and lasts 12k miles in Georgia, I'd suggest you become a spokesperson for that brand. They will put every other tire mfg out of business.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: vagrant on October 11, 2016, 09:15:14 PM
here's a great example of what can be done if Mfg's. wanted to.
I have over 170,000. miles on 2 different Moto Guzzi's'. a 1998 and a 2001 EV better known as a California. when Dunlop made the 491 130/90/17 that fit the rear I got 12-13000 miles and changed them out because they were square. they could have gone 2000 more on a straight interstate. I have tried everything ever built since 1999 and never got more than 5000 . I never had a traction issue with that tire so it proves they can build a mileage tire they just won't. too much lost profit!
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 11, 2016, 09:23:58 PM
*Originally Posted by vagrant [+]
here's a great example of what can be done if Mfg's. wanted to.
I have over 170,000. miles on 2 different Moto Guzzi's'. a 1998 and a 2001 EV better known as a California. when Dunlop made the 491 130/90/17 that fit the rear I got 12-13000 miles and changed them out because they were square. they could have gone 2000 more on a straight interstate. I have tried everything ever built since 1999 and never got more than 5000 . I never had a traction issue with that tire so it proves they can build a mileage tire they just won't. too much lost profit!

I used to get 10k or so out of my cruiser tires too. They pushed about 80 peak hp and had a little over 30° lean angle. And for what they could do, they were plenty sticky enough. Some may find they aren't for a bike with the Versys capability.
I've ran all kinds of sport and sport touring radial tires on many different bikes sport/sport touring over the last couple of decades. They all pretty much last me 5-6k miles on the rear. Fronts as long and usually longer except on the FJR which ate front tires for breakfast.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: VerMag on October 12, 2016, 02:43:09 AM
I could confirm 100milesaway comments on Avon Storm 3D XM. Bought a set at the beginning of July, now got 5K kms on them and they just look as new, very good grip on dry and wet.  :152:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 12, 2016, 04:07:54 PM
I guess maybe I should've sprung for the Avons, but the EVOs were so damn cheap I couldn't resist.  I maybe regretting that decision in about 5k miles, however.

Saddlebag; I have to agree with you on the FJR eating front tires.  I got tired (pun intended) of starting a trip with good tires only to get frustrated trying to get that thing to turn with the front tires started wearing like a pyramid. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Strommer on October 12, 2016, 04:36:09 PM
I replaced mine just after 5k with the Evo version. So far very pleased with them, grip in the wet is excellent and better than the originals I reckon.
Only done about 1500 mls so far so cant tell if they last longer, but I value staying upright for my own longevity rather more than the tyres.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Kidder on October 12, 2016, 05:44:07 PM
My OEM rear was done at 4k miles.  I replaced it with a Continental Road Attack 2 Evo which I was hoping to get 6k miles out of.  I got 3100 miles out of it before cord started showing.  Unfortunately, living in Texas, I wear out the center of the tire long before the sides.  I have a Pilot Power 3 on the rear now because it's what the dealer had in stock (I was on a trip in Arkansas when I had to get the tire replaced - definitely not planned).  I expect to get 3k miles out of the Power.  I will be replacing it with a Pilot Road 2.

I guess I'm a squid since I'm only getting that kind of mileage out of the rear tire.  But, the power is fun to utilize with the go fast twisty thing on the right bar.

OEM tire:
(https://www.versys1000.com/images/tt-cdn/Tire.jpg)

Continental Road Attack 2
(https://www.versys1000.com/images/tt-cdn/5ad90ef86724260eb9e3c0e5aa3f4616.jpg)
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 12, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
Kidder;
Your Conti pic shows exactly where the REALLY hard rubber needs to be. 

Somebody may us a tire like that, please. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on October 12, 2016, 09:08:54 PM
The picture of the Conti looks likes like the wheel has been spinning, with the bike going nowhere. :027: :lostit:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Rob1963 on October 13, 2016, 05:49:58 AM
Has anyone tried Metzeler Z8's?

I will be getting a set next week after 11,000 km on the OEM. They probably have another 1,000 or so left in them but the rear is super square.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Kidder on October 13, 2016, 12:59:29 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Kidder;
Your Conti pic shows exactly where the REALLY hard rubber needs to be. 

Somebody may us a tire like that, please.
It's a dual compound tire. Also, if you notice there are no treads in the middle of the tire which means no wear bars.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Kidder on October 13, 2016, 01:01:35 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
The picture of the Conti looks likes like the wheel has been spinning, with the bike going nowhere. :027: :lostit:
That's how I feel when I get bad mileage out of a rear tire. And, I check the pressure once a week.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 13, 2016, 02:47:39 PM
*Originally Posted by Rob1963 [+]
Has anyone tried Metzeler Z8's?

I will be getting a set next week after 11,000 km on the OEM. They probably have another 1,000 or so left in them but the rear is super square.

Rob;
My V is too new to have tried many tire brands. But, I did try a previous iteration of the Z8 (forget which,Z6 maybe) on my old ST1300.  The rear squared off quickly and the front made lots of noise.  Never went back there. Don't know about the Z8.

The V may be a little easier on the front tire than the ST or FJR.  But, seems like it'll eat just about any currently offered rear from the tire manufacturers. 

It's a conspiracy  :5:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Claudio Luis on October 13, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
hola 6000 km con los T30 de origen de momento bien , podre hacer unos 2000 km mas,  el delantero demasiado duro  , cuando los cambie sera T 30 GT EVO trasera y 016 Pro delantera ,
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on October 13, 2016, 03:09:50 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Rob;
My V is too new to have tried many tire brands. But, I did try a previous iteration of the Z8 (forget which,Z6 maybe) on my old ST1300.  The rear squared off quickly and the front made lots of noise.  Never went back there. Don't know about the Z8.

The V may be a little easier on the front tire than the ST or FJR.  But, seems like it'll eat just about any currently offered rear from the tire manufacturers. 

It's a conspiracy  :5:
Not so.              It doesn't eat Avon Storm 3D XM s.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 13, 2016, 03:11:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Rob1963 [+]
Has anyone tried Metzeler Z8's?

I will be getting a set next week after 11,000 km on the OEM. They probably have another 1,000 or so left in them but the rear is super square.
 

I'm running the Roadtec 01 which is the latest iteration. Very good. I recall a reviewer noting that the compound is similar to the Z8, with new tread pattern. If you can get Z8 on discount, there's probably not enough difference to worry about. Especially since you shouldn't be too worried about rain where you're at.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 13, 2016, 03:14:31 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
Not so.              It doesn't eat Avon Storm 3D XM s.

He lives in a desert. Worse than Ft Worth! Heat kills...quick.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 13, 2016, 03:33:18 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
Not so.              It doesn't eat Avon Storm 3D XM s.

I kinda figured 100milesaway would mention the Avons.  :028:   I intentionally put the qualifier in there for you. "..eat just about any... "   I'm gonna get around to the Avons, next set. 

I guess I demand a lot from a moto tire.  I live 450 miles from the nearest road that even resembles a twistie, translates to many flat miles to burn up the center section of a tire.  I think I've worn out the sides of one set of tires in my life, still don't know how that happened. 

Oh well, such is life living down here.  I've retired from one career, still working however.  Just to buy more moto tires.   :biker1: :biker1:  and  :031: :031:


Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 13, 2016, 03:51:53 PM
With all this talk about poor tire mileage and no darksider with a 'solution'?  Just for the sake of discussion, what are the recommendations for the V? 

I met up with a bunch of ST1300 riders last weekend and a few were happily running car tires, some up to 60k miles!  Kinda got me thinking.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: darksidemxer on October 13, 2016, 05:16:41 PM
I cant picture cornering with a car tire. Our tires are made to corner, our bikes are made to corner. Id do a car tire on a valkyrie but not a sport touring bike. Btw my avon storm look great after 5k miles.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 13, 2016, 05:21:16 PM
Sorry; Not trying to start a darkside discussion here.  Maybe some other time and place. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 13, 2016, 05:23:57 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
With all this talk about poor tire mileage and no darksider with a 'solution'?  Just for the sake of discussion, what are the recommendations for the V? 

I met up with a bunch of ST1300 riders last weekend and a few were happily running car tires, some up to 60k miles!  Kinda got me thinking.

It's actually popular in cruiser circles. I don't even like the feeling of a MC tire that's getting a flatspot, let alone buying a brand new tire that is completely flat. Bead isn't the right size for MC rims either. Still a lot of people do it. I guess they probably save money on hammers by hammering nails with wrenches too.
Besides the flat spot, they are also going to weigh a lot more. You're suspension wasn't designed for that kinda unsprung weight, but depending where and how hard one rides, it may not make that much difference.
There was one guy on the Vic site who had a long gravel/dirt driveway. He said the car tire made that feel much more stable traversing that. Made sense to me. I've had the Versys on such roads. I get off them at my earliest convenience...
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Paul_Smith on October 13, 2016, 05:33:00 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
With all this talk about poor tire mileage and no darksider with a 'solution'?  Just for the sake of discussion, what are the recommendations for the V? 

I met up with a bunch of ST1300 riders last weekend and a few were happily running car tires, some up to 60k miles!  Kinda got me thinking.
Think away. There are some people who would describe st1300 and that class of bike as a two wheel car and the way some are ridden, who am I to argue. However I do not think the €0.0124 I spend per mile on the quality ST tyres is so excessive that I need to save half of it by fitting car tyres. YMMV.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: vagrant on October 13, 2016, 05:55:57 PM
while owning a 2012 Gold wing I studied the crap out of the dark sider forums. everything said went against what I thought I knew. in reality the stock new BS 704/709 tires did well. about 10,000 a set ridding the same way and roads that get me 5000 on the V1. (also proving they can make a good tire that wears if needed)
after 3 sets of stockers burned off at about 30000 miles I tried a CT on the wing. it was so better handling in curves I couldn't believe it. rain rock solid including when I hit a flooded back road at 40 mph. it went through 6-10" of water without a shake. I got 20000 on the first and sold the bike with 10000 on it's replacement. too big and heavy for me.
that being said there are many reports on the same sites that say it's too much for under 700 or so pound bikes so I wouldn't consider it on the V1.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 13, 2016, 06:23:42 PM
I've never seriously considered going with a car tire on any moto I've owned, the ST being the most rotund candidate.  Some guys just love the darkside.
 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Rob1963 on October 14, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
OK I must be living in a cave. Darksider?  When I was a lad if you had talked about that everyone would think you were talking about someone batting for the wrong side. However Google helped me out  and for anyone else who is too scared to ask what a darksider is then here is a very educational post

 :002:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Darth on October 14, 2016, 11:43:46 AM
Car tyres on a bike, hmm http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/18/82/bf8a456f129a2a7968c164bdbd191f16.jpg
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 14, 2016, 04:16:33 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to put a car tire on my motorcycle.
Rob's link should be reason enough to not go flirting with disaster. 

But,  does anyone know of any problems, blowouts, crashes, etc. attributable to car tires being mounted on a motorcycle? 
The apparent lack of any documented issues is one of the points the darksiders tout when the incompatibility evidence is brought up.

I'm not trying to stir up the old sh*t pot, just asking. 



Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Paul_Smith on October 14, 2016, 04:49:29 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to put a car tire on my motorcycle.
Rob's link should be reason enough to not go flirting with disaster. 

But,  does anyone know of any problems, blowouts, crashes, etc. attributable to car tires being mounted on a motorcycle? 
The apparent lack of any documented issues is one of the points the darksiders tout when the incompatibility evidence is brought up.

I'm not trying to stir up the old sh*t pot, just asking.
The same argument is used by people who sell erectile enlargement equipment. Nobody would ever say they didn't work because that means admitting a) that they tried them and b) that they need them.

Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 14, 2016, 04:53:37 PM
 :008:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: saddlebag on October 14, 2016, 10:29:47 PM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
The same argument is used by people who sell erectile enlargement equipment. Nobody would ever say they didn't work because that means admitting a) that they tried them and b) that they need them.

A friend's grandpappy tried them and said he was so proud of how big and tall stood up, he thought he'd take a pic and send it out to the family for Christmas.
Don't think he'd be caught dead on a car tire...
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: vagrant on October 16, 2016, 10:37:35 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to put a car tire on my motorcycle.
Rob's link should be reason enough to not go flirting with disaster. 

But,  does anyone know of any problems, blowouts, crashes, etc. attributable to car tires being mounted on a motorcycle? 
The apparent lack of any documented issues is one of the points the darksiders tout when the incompatibility evidence is brought up.

as of a year ago when I quit researching CT's there was not one report of an issue. but there were lots of MC tire failures on big Harleys and Gold wings. most ridden 2 up.

I'm not trying to stir up the old sh*t pot, just asking.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Motorious RDP on October 23, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
I put over 9000 miles on the OEM and could have gotten more out of the front. So  I went with Bridgestones again only the EVOs this time. So far so good with 3200 miles on the new set
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on October 24, 2016, 03:11:52 PM
Are we talking kilometers or miles?  No way I'd get more than MAYBE 6k miles out of a rear T30.  I use up the center first cuz I live 500 miles from the nearest twistie.  Some that I've talked to say, riding just twisties not even that many! 

Front not worn to the wear bar yet at 6500 miles, not much left however. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Rob1963 on October 24, 2016, 03:32:51 PM
you 6500 miles and my T30 was close to toast. M8's seem good but only on a track day so far

 

Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on October 24, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Are we talking kilometers or miles?  No way I'd get more than MAYBE 6k miles out of a rear T30.  I use up the center first cuz I live 500 miles from the nearest twistie.  Some that I've talked to say, riding just twisties not even that many! 

Front not worn to the wear bar yet at 6500 miles, not much left however.
If you require unprecedented mileage from your tyres    Avon Storm 3D XM s will be the tyre for you. :152:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Bayonet on October 26, 2016, 08:52:54 PM
My right hand fork seal started leaking again, so today whilst the offending fork was in the local bike place having its seal swapped, I put my new front and rear Avon tyres on (Storm 2s). Not really had time before now. They went on easily, although I had a bit of a panic when I couldn't find the inflator tool for my compressor.

The old Storm 2s have both managed exactly 13,235 miles. The rear was still legal, but square and the front was still legal and mostly round.

Been for a test ride tonight in the dark and its lovely having round profile tyres again.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on January 03, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
Reviews on the Avon Trailriders are favorable for grip and mileage.  Not high mileage, but good for dual sport rubber. 
Anyone have experience with them? 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Claudio Luis on January 07, 2017, 02:11:11 PM
hola, el T 30 de origen de compra no van mal, el delantero un poco duro para mi gusto, ya que nunca monte unos neumaticos se ese estilo.
con 7700 km los tengo que cambiar y así que  vuelvo a la combinación de bridgestone 0 16 Pro delantero  y T 30 GT trasero .
Vsss
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: vagrant on January 07, 2017, 03:11:10 PM
say what! :5:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Oldplodder on January 07, 2017, 06:11:03 PM
*Originally Posted by Claudio Luis [+]
hola, el T 30 de origen de compra no van mal, el delantero un poco duro para mi gusto, ya que nunca monte unos neumaticos se ese estilo.
con 7700 km los tengo que cambiar y así que  vuelvo a la combinación de bridgestone 0 16 Pro delantero  y T 30 GT trasero .
Vsss

"Hello, the T 30 purchase origin do not go wrong, the front a little hard for my taste, since I never ride a tire that style.
With 7700 km I have to change them and so I go back to the combination of bridgestone 0 16 Pro Pro and T 30 GT rear.
Vsss"

Google translate is my friend

Dave T
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: KLXtra on January 13, 2017, 06:03:17 PM
More tire input... my best recent picks;
Metzler - Z8 - much improved over the OEM B-stones (BT016 I think) on a Yamaha FZ1 (Gen 1)... the Z8 were wearing well, turning nicely and sticking well (dry riding) before I sold the bike with lots of tread...
... for a used Versys 1000 (2013) - which came with Michelin PR4...  I can't compare to stock rubber - but loving my very first Michelins (on a moto)... wet and dry handling impresses at near sane speeds. I'm not a scratcher or a high miler, but when the time comes will happily put new PR4 on again over the Z8 just because I never ran the old FZ in the wet or on gravel. Z8 was the hot new rubber for wet also at it's debut I think - but PR4 is newer (and I have actually run them wet and gravel on my current bike with likeable results). I only put on 2K km before winter but they seemed to be wearing OK.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: coffeedrinkerinNC on January 14, 2017, 01:06:56 AM
What do you guys do to your tires? I have 4500 miles on my stock tires and they still look good.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Kidder on January 14, 2017, 10:36:11 PM
*Originally Posted by coffeedrinkerinNC [+]
What do you guys do to your tires? I have 4500 miles on my stock tires and they still look good.
I admit to having a heavy right wrist. And, here in North Texas, I have to travel a bit to get to the twisties.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: coffeedrinkerinNC on January 15, 2017, 02:28:36 AM
*Originally Posted by Kidder [+]
I admit to having a heavy right wrist. And, here in North Texas, I have to travel a bit to get to the twisties.

My commute to work is 27 miles one way and I spend about 15 miles of that at speeds in excess of 80 mph, and have at times been in the triple digits. We also some of the best twisty roads in the US here in NC.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Frostbit on January 29, 2017, 05:11:05 AM
*Originally Posted by coffeedrinkerinNC [+]
What do you guys do to your tires? I have 4500 miles on my stock tires and they still look good.

I am not an aggressive rider. I have 3500 miles on my stock tires, though the front looks decent yet, the rear is becoming square across the center. No way I'll get over 5k out of it. I'm contemplating replacing both of them with the Avon Storms mentioned earlier. I'd like more mileage.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Ponyroller on January 29, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
When I parked the bike for winter I had just shy of 10000 km on the stock tire, still looks good and when I tested it with the tread gauge it was still good for a while...can't remember how many mm left on it but it wasn't at the manufacturer suggested replacement depth yet.

 

Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Rob1963 on January 29, 2017, 03:12:36 PM
*Originally Posted by Ponyroller [+]
When I parked the bike for winter I had just shy of 10000 km on the stock tire, still looks good and when I tested it with the tread gauge it was still good for a while...can't remember how many mm left on it but it wasn't at the manufacturer suggested replacement depth yet.

 
similar for me 11,000, still had tread but was squared off so much it had to go

 

Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Spike on January 30, 2017, 12:35:00 PM
To me any tyre that sticks is not going to last long, depending on riding style too.

I remember a few years ago I was chatting to a guy on line who says he was getting around 8K on a rear on his R1, when everyone else was saying 3K to 5K was max, I then met up with him for a ride out and seen how he got 8K, the bike was just a show piece and if the throttle got turned more than 1/8 turn it was lucky.




Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: yammaster on January 30, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
I replaced the oem tires with Pirelli Angel GT's. These were rated the longest lasting sport touring tires by testing done in Europe.
The amazing feature about these tires is that they enhance handling in wind and buffeting from nearby vehicles by a lot. I assume it is because they have a stiffer carcass. Plus they stick like glue in all conditions. I've used the best tires from Dunlop, Bridgestone and Avon, and I'll never switch back to any other tire after using these
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on March 02, 2017, 07:39:15 PM
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-iii-tire-review (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-iii-tire-review)

FYI:  New Dunlop Road Smart 3 "Review".
This popped up on the Revzilla Common Tread feed.  Another sport touring tire to consider, or not.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: juliang on March 03, 2017, 01:10:24 AM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-iii-tire-review (https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/dunlop-sportmax-roadsmart-iii-tire-review)

FYI:  New Dunlop Road Smart 3 "Review".
This popped up on the Revzilla Common Tread feed.  Another sport touring tire to consider, or not.

Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed their report and the myriad of comments
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Pickaxe on March 15, 2017, 01:03:48 PM
This is a picture of the front OEM Bridgestone T30 Battlax after 7500 miles. It's worn unevenly as the OEM rear did that lasted 3000 miles. I'm replacing it with a BT023 that has worked well on my Triumph Sprint.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on March 15, 2017, 01:54:40 PM
I just pulled my second T30 off at less that 5k miles (rear).  It was down to the wear bar and I need new rubber for a little trip. 
I liked the T30's ok, except for the low mileage, they are cheap and handle fine.   Probably won't buy them again.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: yammaster on March 16, 2017, 01:21:02 AM
Pirelli Angel GT.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: woodman on March 16, 2017, 11:59:40 AM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
I just pulled my second T30 off at less that 5k miles (rear).  It was down to the wear bar and I need new rubber for a little trip. 
I liked the T30's ok, except for the low mileage, they are cheap and handle fine.   Probably won't buy them again.
My stock T30 rear was worn out at 3500miles,
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: woodman on March 19, 2017, 04:27:47 PM
Replaced my second rear tire today, a Metzler Z6. It lasted 1100 miles more than the stock T30
New:

(https://s17.postimg.org/jbv8pu173/0319171110.jpg)

After 4,600 miles

(https://s9.postimg.org/yel9bkc4f/0319171111.jpg)

This is how thick the rubber was:

(https://s8.postimg.org/n1nuaqrzp/0319171111a.jpg)
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: olie on July 20, 2017, 07:56:53 PM
T30 Stock Rear Tire last 4900 miles... just a fingernail from the bars. Replaced with a RoadSmart3.
Front tire still have almost 3/32" thread left... good for another 2-3k miles.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: De Vaca on July 24, 2017, 12:43:43 AM
You will like the Roadsmart 3's. I replaced the Bridgestones at the same mileage, and now have over 7,000 miles on them. The rear will need replacement soon, probably within 1,000 miles, but still ride and handle great.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: coffeedrinkerinNC on August 06, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
Stock rear tire lasted 9K miles, front 10.5K miles for me. 90% of riding is commuting.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on February 05, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Tire talk continues... :180:

Well, I'm just about done with a set of PR4s.  I'm one of the few with a negative review. 
The front has about 6500 miles on it and looks like it's wearing normally.  But, turn in is requiring more effort, not terrible but noticable for the V.
From what others have reported, I was expecting 6-7k miles from the rear, but that's not going to happen.  I had to replace the rear cuz of a nail, so it has 1500 less than the front.  2/32 left on the front, 2/32 left on the rear.  Not looking good. 

I guess I have to start looking at my riding habits, or I should say throttle habbits.   :008:

For the money, the T30 Evo was the cheapest, 5k miles.
Road Smart 3, good all around tire, 6k miles.
PR4, good all around tire, maybe 5k miles. 

Should I even try the Avon spirits or just go back to the Road smarts? 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TallyRex on February 06, 2018, 07:44:45 AM
IMHO - Once you get to 5,000 for a rear, the feel and traction of a tire are more important than just mileage.  Of course a true sport tire will give better performance, but will wear out at 2500 miles.  If you were happy with the Roadsmarts, then stick with them.

I thought the T-30s were pretty good, but like the PR4s better.  Only have 2000 on them, but they still look new.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 06, 2018, 06:34:06 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Tire talk continues... :180:

Well, I'm just about done with a set of PR4s.  I'm one of the few with a negative review. 
The front has about 6500 miles on it and looks like it's wearing normally.  But, turn in is requiring more effort, not terrible but noticable for the V.
From what others have reported, I was expecting 6-7k miles from the rear, but that's not going to happen.  I had to replace the rear cuz of a nail, so it has 1500 less than the front.  2/32 left on the front, 2/32 left on the rear.  Not looking good. 

I guess I have to start looking at my riding habits, or I should say throttle habbits.   :008:

For the money, the T30 Evo was the cheapest, 5k miles.
Road Smart 3, good all around tire, 6k miles.
PR4, good all around tire, maybe 5k miles. 

Should I even try the Avon spirits or just go back to the Road smarts?
Avon Spirits are very good. They wear evenly, (unlike lots of modern stuff) have excellent grip in the wet & dry, and mine did 7,000 miles on the big V.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: PhilDHY on February 06, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
I took 100milesaway tip the other week and brought a pair of PR3 for 170£. My last rear did 9k miles, a lot on long straight roads at 70-85 mph.  The front had done considerably more, but was still good. I changed the pair as I had it in for some work and might as well whilst it's off the road.
Saddlebag. I can assure you the Geoff doesn't ride a lot of straight roads. In fact I don't know if there are any near him. What I can tell you is the surfaces aren't always great, and sometimes you need to turn sideways and shuffle along as they're narrower than many American vehicles. These are two way roads. Most of which lead to, or by a cake shop!
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 09:52:31 AM
He'll be delighted to hear that you bought some PR3s  :008:   
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: PhilDHY on February 07, 2018, 10:14:38 AM
 I'd call him " the Michelin man" but he might take it the wrong way 😂
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
*Originally Posted by PhilDHY [+]
I'd call him " the Michelin man" but he might take it the wrong way 😂


rather you than me  :4:   
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: PhilDHY on February 07, 2018, 10:19:31 AM
Perhaps more " Avon calling"?
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 10:42:50 AM
yeah....bing bong  :008:     
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 11:42:02 AM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
He'll be delighted to hear that you bought some PR3s  :008:   
HA HA.     No, they are probably good value at that price. And I have no experience of them on a Versys. My comments on them were aimed at their fitment to the GTR 1400. :2:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 11:50:38 AM
*Originally Posted by PhilDHY [+]
I'd call him " the Michelin man" but he might take it the wrong way 😂
Perfectly acceptable on this forum Phil. I am a fat bar steward anyway :008:. Any road up, I am now the proud owner of 2 Michelin tyres myself. I shall reserve my judgment on them until they have been put to the sword, and been pitted against the harsh (on tyres) terrain that most of my biking is carried out on.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 01:05:09 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
Perfectly acceptable on this forum Phil. I am a fat bar steward anyway :008:. Any road up, I am now the proud owner of 2 Michelin tyres myself. I shall reserve my judgment on them until they have been put to the sword, and been pitted against the harsh (on tyres) terrain that most of my biking is carried out on.


Have you bought some PR3 Rubber Geoff ....ooooh errr missus  :008:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 05:21:13 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]

Have you bought some PR3 Rubber Geoff ....ooooh errr missus  :008:
Nooooooooo. I went the PR2 route, and am certain that they will be fine :152:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 06:10:43 PM
After watching a video report today I was surprised to learn that OEM tyres as fitted in production may not be the same quality (lower quality )  as the same brand/type sold in the aftermarket, (higher quality ) has anyone else heard about this  :question:   
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
Nooooooooo. I went the PR2 route, and am certain that they will be fine :152:

Were they a good deal then  :question:   
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: PhilDHY on February 07, 2018, 06:14:40 PM
Not heard that, but I certainly wasn't impressed with the Pirelli Teflon that came on mine
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
After watching a video report today I was surprised to learn that OEM tyres as fitted in production may not be the same quality (lower quality )  as the same brand/type sold in the aftermarket, (higher quality ) has anyone else heard about this  :question:
Yes I have Rog, but am not sure if it's true. But I have found over my many years of biking, is that oe fitment tyres don't seem to last too long. My record, and whilst the 1st thousand miles was running in, and not revving the engine above 4 thousand my 2008 1250 Bandit did 1750 :5: miles on the oe rubber. Scary or what  :019: :125:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 06:25:57 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
Were they a good deal then  :question:
£183   fitted and balanced to loose wheels.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 07, 2018, 06:27:19 PM
I think it's entirely possible Geoff, my mate here has a 2015 Versys1000 with (I think) about 5000 miles on the clock, his OEM tyres are good for another 1000 or so, my bikes OEM Bridgestones will be lucky to see 4000 miles, I'm much lighter than him and I ride much more frequently.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 06:36:15 PM
Whilst owning my MK2 Versys I have used the oe T30s, the T30 Evos, Avon Storm 3D XMs, and Avon Spirits. I have found them all excellent, with not a lot between any of them. Although the 3D XM s gave better mileage than any of the others.  :2:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on February 07, 2018, 07:37:57 PM
*Originally Posted by 100milesaway [+]
Avon Spirits are very good. They wear evenly, (unlike lots of modern stuff) have excellent grip in the wet & dry, and mine did 7,000 miles on the big V.

Uneven wear on the front and rapid wear on the rear are my complaints on Michelin tires in general.  Maybe I should try low power mode.  :006:
My tire guy can still get the 3D XMs for about $300, cheaper if I push a bit. 
Didn't get a price on the Spirits. 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 07, 2018, 09:03:14 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Uneven wear on the front and rapid wear on the rear are my complaints on Michelin tires in general.  Maybe I should try low power mode.  :006:
My tire guy can still get the 3D XMs for about $300, cheaper if I push a bit. 
Didn't get a price on the Spirits.
If anyone is thinking of fitting Avon 3D XMs, consider using the 3D rear, but paired with the later Spirit front. The Spirit is pretty much the same tyre but has 2mm more tread depth. :002:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Paul_Smith on February 08, 2018, 10:04:57 AM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
After watching a video report today I was surprised to learn that OEM tyres as fitted in production may not be the same quality (lower quality )  as the same brand/type sold in the aftermarket, (higher quality ) has anyone else heard about this  :question:
I have heard that a few times, and while I don't know if it is true, or if it is true for all OEMs, it does match my my experience where the second set of tyres usually outlast the first even though the first had the gentler life associated with breaking in the bike.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 08, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
I have heard that a few times, and while I don't know if it is true, or if it is true for all OEMs, it does match my my experience where the second set of tyres usually outlast the first even though the first had the gentler life associated with breaking in the bike.

It's an interesting possibility Paul, I'm really not sure how tyre manufacturers could/would produce different quality tyres under the same brand and model name  :187: 

I have heard of others who report a 'better' tyre second time around as it were
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Paul_Smith on February 08, 2018, 04:40:08 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
It's an interesting possibility Paul, I'm really not sure how tyre manufacturers could/would produce different quality tyres under the same brand and model name  :187: 

I have heard of others who report a 'better' tyre second time around as it were
Why not? No way are the big manufacturers paying full retail for the amount of tyres they buy, so using "special order", OEM version, manufacturers specs etc., all give the tyre makers the opportunity to cut a few corners. Again though, I have no evidence that it is actually happening.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Crosshairs on February 08, 2018, 04:56:41 PM
*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
Why not? No way are the big manufacturers paying full retail for the amount of tyres they buy, so using "special order", OEM version, manufacturers specs etc., all give the tyre makers the opportunity to cut a few corners. Again though, I have no evidence that it is actually happening.

I know for  fact its done with some OEM auto manufacturers,, no idea if its  done with motorcycles
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: TYKE on February 08, 2018, 08:40:09 PM
I  guess I'm too trusting, I do feel that my OEM Bridgestones are now feeling less confidence inspiring  after less than 2500 miles
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: PhilDHY on February 08, 2018, 08:52:56 PM
IMO that's Bridgestone for you. I would need a lot of convincing to part with any of my folding beer coupons to fit their tyres again.
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: mikep on February 08, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
My second set of T30 Evo's behaved just like and got the exact mileage of the OE's.  Seemed the same.

I some ways I think the OE tires are better (at least on autos) than comsumer versions.  Ever notice how "exact" replacement tires don't seem to balance as well and vibrate more than OE's? 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: 100milesaway on February 08, 2018, 09:39:33 PM
Like  Mike, my oe T30s did ok on mileage, as did the T30 evo and they both worked  great. Furthermore the oe tyres that came on our Land Rover freelander did an amazing 72,000 miles on the oe fitment rubber.  :notsure:
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Paul_Smith on February 09, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
My second set of T30 Evo's behaved just like and got the exact mileage of the OE's.  Seemed the same.

I some ways I think the OE tires are better (at least on autos) than comsumer versions.  Ever notice how "exact" replacement tires don't seem to balance as well and vibrate more than OE's?
As far as I know, the OEM tyres were T30's not T30 Evo's on the '15 and '16 models.  Maybe they changed for the 2017? 
Title: Re: OEM Bridgestones done at 5k
Post by: Rickrides on May 17, 2018, 10:51:05 PM
*Originally Posted by mikep [+]
Hit 5k miles this weekend coming back from OK.  Rear tire (OEM BS T30) is worn out!   5,000 miles!  Not buying those.   The front still looks like it has almost half the thread left, not cupped or wearing funny. 

Is the T30 EVO a totally different tire compared to the T30?

Thinking of getting Avons.  Some of you liked them, right?

My OEM Bridgestone rear made it to 6k.  Front has some miles left.

Yes, I have used Avon Storm II Ultras and 3Ds on my '99 ZRX1100 for several tire changes and have really liked them.  I just put the new 3D XMs on the ZRX and they feel great.  I also just installed a 3D XM on the rear of the Versys and I'll be breaking that in on some of my favorite mountain roads tomorrow.