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Versys 1000 => Lighting, Electrical, and Wiring => Topic started by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 07:11:19 PM

Title: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 07:11:19 PM
So after being shocked by the price that Kawasaki wants to charge for a Gear Position Indicator (GPI) for my 2015 Versys 1000LT ($207), I figured I'd buy a third-party Chinese knock-off on eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/253066708053)...

It showed up in the mail yesterday, and it looks 'similar' to the Kawi version, although the lead is much longer (presumably because it's designed for multiple bikes with different requirements). Obviously not as nice, but what do you expect?

After taking off the fairings, I tried attaching it to the connector described in the official installation guide (https://www.kawasaki.com/Content/Uploads/Accessories/999940467/ii_999940467.pdf), but... nothing. Turned the bike on (on center stand), pulled in the clutch, put it into 1st gear, let out the clutch, but nothing displayed in the GPI.

My question is - is there an easy way of telling if the problem is with the shoddy GPI or whether it's something in the wiring? Obviously the former is much more likely, but should I be seeing different voltages across the three contacts in the connector when I'm in different gears? I was getting some voltage (which makes me think the GPI is just...crap), but does anyone know what I would see as I go up/down the gears?

Before I return this particular GPI, does anyone have any experience with third-party GPI's? Should I bite the bullet and get the Kawi one? Or just not bother anyway - I don't really need to know what gear I'm in anyway...

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: kotbaun on September 27, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
wrong installed plug!!!!
the right plug is under seat next to battery (diagnostic connector)!!!!!
you lucky nothing burned out!!!!!
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 09:57:47 PM
Aha!

But in that case, how come the Kawi GPI only comes with a short cable? At least, that's what I see on the installation instructions...

Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: kotbaun on September 27, 2017, 10:08:25 PM
let me understand you have original or aftermarket gear position indicator?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: Sonny on September 27, 2017, 10:44:35 PM
Senpai, once you get familiar with the numbers, the tach and speedo will tell you what gear you're in, and the neutral light is there to help getting through to first when coming to a stop.  :028:
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
*Originally Posted by kotbaun [+]
let me understand you have original or aftermarket gear position indicator?
I have an aftermarket one. The instructions that came with it are poorly translated into English, so it's really not clear where it should connect, so I looked at the installation instructions for the OEM one and assumed (see, there's the problem!) that it would connect to the main wiring loom connector behind the dash, just like the OEM one.

But it sounds like you're saying that aftermarket ones connect to the diagnostic connector next to the battery?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: kotbaun on September 27, 2017, 11:02:52 PM
aftermarket connected under seat!!!!
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 11:20:04 PM
*Originally Posted by Sonny [+]
Senpai, once you get familiar with the numbers, the tach and speedo will tell you what gear you're in, and the neutral light is there to help getting through to first when coming to a stop.  :028:
Sonny, TBH, I was just looking for another gadget to buy! This is the first bike (of many I've owned and ridden over the years) where there is even the possibility of having a GPI - every other bike you just know by feel (the combo, as you say, of speed & tach).
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 27, 2017, 11:21:03 PM
*Originally Posted by kotbaun [+]
aftermarket connected under seat!!!!

OK, I'll try it! Thanks for letting me know.

Weird that the OEM model and aftermarket ones connect differently....
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: Sonny on September 28, 2017, 01:06:35 AM
*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
...This is the first bike (of many I've owned and ridden over the years) where there is even the possibility of having a GPI...).

I know, it's one of those things we didn't know we needed until it was promoted and offered to us. Like cell phones...?

My whole riding life I sloshed the tank or peeked inside to see how much gas I had and flipped over to Reserve when the engine sputtered, and had no problems with it. Then suddenly everybody was griping about the accuracy of the gas gauge on their bikes!  :027:

Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 28, 2017, 02:35:39 AM
*Originally Posted by kotbaun [+]
wrong installed plug!!!!
the right plug is under seat next to battery (diagnostic connector)!!!!!
you lucky nothing burned out!!!!!
Hey kotbaun,

Maybe I'm being dim here, but which connector under the seat do you mean? The GPI cable has 3 contacts in a female end, and I don't see any matching connector under the seat. But the one behind the dash does have a matching male end...

What am I missing?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 28, 2017, 02:37:49 AM
I don't miss having to flip over to a reserve tank! Too many times, the engine started sputtering, and THAT was when I reached down and realized I'd forgotten to flip back to main tank when I last filled up, so I really was EMPTY...
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: SouthernCruizer on September 28, 2017, 03:09:38 AM

It does state in the Ebay ad that the connector is under the seat :
(Note: plug and play, color of the wire should be consistent with the marking color of plug, original car plug located under the seat cushion)

But, I do not see a connector under there either. Hmmmm....

*Originally Posted by senpai71 [+]
Hey kotbaun,

Maybe I'm being dim here, but which connector under the seat do you mean? The GPI cable has 3 contacts in a female end, and I don't see any matching connector under the seat. But the one behind the dash does have a matching male end...

What am I missing?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: Rmplstlskn on September 28, 2017, 03:10:41 AM
The sarcasm runs thick in this thread... lol!  :211:

Rmpl
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: wozzamatta on September 28, 2017, 04:29:31 AM
On the Mk I versions there is a square foam rubber block in the tray just to the rear of the negative battery terminal, if you have a close look you will see a plug pushed into the foam, that is the diagnostic connector.

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/824389/Kawasaki-Versys-1000.html?page=535#manual, 2nd photo, near the circled #10.

Simply plug in, when the ignition is turned on it should cycle through from 1 to 6.

It would seem that because there is a long cable it is meant to go in the diagnostic connector, not under the dash.
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 28, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
*Originally Posted by Rmplstlskn [+]
The sarcasm runs thick in this thread... lol!  :211:

Rmpl
Huh. I certainly wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I'm genuinely confused - I don't see a diagnostic connector near the battery...
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: kotbaun on September 28, 2017, 08:10:50 PM
diagnostic connector beetwin battery and underseat storage!
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: kotbaun on September 28, 2017, 08:35:04 PM
see pdf  file x is palace of connector!
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 29, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
*Originally Posted by kotbaun [+]
see pdf  file x is palace of connector!

OK, now I see it!

Thanks to you and @wozzamatta for pointing me to it!

You gotta admit, that diagnostic cable isn't exactly obvious to find!

Thanks to y'all!
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: senpai71 on September 29, 2017, 08:44:46 PM
*Originally Posted by wozzamatta [+]
On the Mk I versions there is a square foam rubber block in the tray just to the rear of the negative battery terminal, if you have a close look you will see a plug pushed into the foam, that is the diagnostic connector.[...]

Found it!

Thanks so much for making it clear - I was looking to the front and side of the battery - it never occurred to me to look inside that little square foam block...

So can that diagnostic connector be used for anything else besides a GPI? The name implies that it can be used for 'diagnostics'... My old Triumph had an ODBII port - does this serve any sort of similar purpose?
Title: Re: Gear Position Indicator woes
Post by: stevie c on October 01, 2017, 11:43:52 AM
Well done guys  :celebrate: have one on my 013 and it's jumping from 3rd to 4th without changing gear, which is annoying having to change into 6th twice. Think my gearbox needs looking at !!!!!!                     Stevie C