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Title: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 22, 2018, 12:00:32 AM
Ok, so having just got back last night from a 900mile round trip (in the car) from Aberdeen to Derby and back again in 36 hours, my plans for a 300 mile round trip on the bike today were blocked by my other half who thought I was mad.

So we got up to some lovely warm sunshine here and I felt refreshed so convinced her to jump on board. We set off in glorious sunshine with temps around 18 which is balmy for East coast Scotland. Anyway, by the time we got 40 miles down the road it had completely clouded 9ver and started to drizzle...Scotch mist. Another 20 miles and we pulled over to put on the waterproofs. Oh dear, I'd forgot to pack my missus suit. Mine hadn't been worn in the 4 years since it was shoved in the loft and was about as effective as toilet roll. We got to our friends and squelched off the bike where I had discovered that my brand new £70 Halversan waterproof gloves weren't waterproof, and neither were my missus old boots.

By the time we left and put on all our cold wet clothes, the temperature was a genuine 6 deg C! So that was an agonisingly long 3 hour journey back through windy and wet Scottish roads ....in rush hour.

All I could hear on the torturous journey back was my poor lady shivering in the intercom!

Wow, that brought back memories. It's been a long time since I got caught out that bad. I kept telling Mel that she needed to go through that. It was her right of passage and oh how she'd laugh when she looked back. Surprisingly,  she didn't seem too impressed.

Lesson? I'm in Scotland so bloody well buy some good all weather gear. Don't believe the weather forecast. Never trust in gloves that say waterproof, and don't try and impress the wife by getting her to feel good about suffering.

For me? I still loved it in a stupidly masochistic way. It's what biking is all about. Pain, pleasure and survival. Man and machine up against the elements etc and finally arriving home. Preferably a lot more comfort than pain, but boy does the pain make the pleasure so much more appreciated.

So here I lay in a deliciously hot bath typing out my little adventure so you can all smile and say.....i know how you feel.

 :152:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Rockdoc on May 22, 2018, 05:25:01 AM
It’ll be a trip that sticks in your memory! I think that trips where the best laid plans have gang agley that are the most memorable.

Keith
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TYKE on May 22, 2018, 06:36:15 AM
I hope SWMBO hasn't been put off biking now oldtimer.   :9:   

The weather patterns at the moment are a bit crazy and somewhat changeable.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Deso_70 on May 22, 2018, 07:32:19 AM
That was rather unfortunate.

You don't need ‘waterproof’ you need ‘gortex’ 

Have a look a wwwsportsbikeshop.co.uk and any clothing you may be look for boots, gloves, jackets & pants, then filter gortex.
SBS do a free returns service so you can try stuff on in the comfort of your own home. They have a decent turnaround time. If you’re lucky you can pick up a bargain too.

Gortex can be expensive, but it guaranteed 100% waterproof.

On a side note Alpinestars do their own equivalent material to Gortex calmly DryStar which is a little more affordable. Their 2 piece suit look good.   
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Paul_Smith on May 22, 2018, 09:40:52 AM
In years to come, it will be easy to remember your wifes last trip on a motorbike... And why.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Vespista1960 on May 22, 2018, 10:08:07 AM
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Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TallyRex on May 22, 2018, 10:36:20 AM
I know how you feel.

Back in 1970, my brother was stationed in Frankfurt and he had access to the British PX and was able to buy me a brand new BSA Lightning Rocket for a ridiculously low amount of money.  I used his apartment as the hub on a wheel and took trips around Europe.

One trip was to Copenhagen and I spent 9 hours riding in 40(F) degree rain on the Autobahn.  My "gear" was a pair of jeans and a jean jacket.  This bike vibrated so badly at 60mph that I would lose most feeling in my hands after 20 minutes, and all the cars were zooming along as fast as they could go.  My shivering was pretty intense, but somehow I managed to make it to Denmark and found the youth hostel I was looking for.  I needed one of those hot baths, you took, but all they had was a shower.  And the shower was outside and only cold water. :lostit:

Yes, your trip was one you and your saintly wife will remember when you are old and gray.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Sonny on May 22, 2018, 01:55:11 PM
I enjoyed the ordeals of heat, cold and wet more when I was younger. Now I will tend to scrub a ride if the weather looks poor... of course that's less of a problem in Texas than in some parts of the world.

My odd deal is, I never seem to take ownership of a bike and ride it home without rain. I consider it a rain of benediction for that bike, but sometimes it's a stretch when it involves sudden pop-up thunderstorms, wild winds and stinging downpours. But I still end up grinning and dripping wet at home with my new bike!  :757:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 22, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
*Originally Posted by TallyRex [+]
I know how you feel.

Back in 1970, my brother was stationed in Frankfurt and he had access to the British PX and was able to buy me a brand new BSA Lightning Rocket for a ridiculously low amount of money.  I used his apartment as the hub on a wheel and took trips around Europe.

One trip was to Copenhagen and I spent 9 hours riding in 40(F) degree rain on the Autobahn.  My "gear" was a pair of jeans and a jean jacket.  This bike vibrated so badly at 60mph that I would lose most feeling in my hands after 20 minutes, and all the cars were zooming along as fast as they could go.  My shivering was pretty intense, but somehow I managed to make it to Denmark and found the youth hostel I was looking for.  I needed one of those hot baths, you took, but all they had was a shower.  And the shower was outside and only cold water. :lostit:

Yes, your trip was one you and your saintly wife will remember when you are old and gray.


Yeah, I guess we've all been there. I just didn't think I'd be re-living it now. After yesterday, I think I'm already a lot older and greyer and I think I need to put that memory firmly back under lock and key. Been there, done that...again  :5:

But that feeling of getting back, heating up a rather spicy home made curry and sitting in front of the blazing fire was a pleasure that only comes after hardship  :43:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TYKE on May 22, 2018, 02:58:42 PM
Gill and I were returning home to the Lake District from the North West 200 races in 2011, at the time I owned a BMW K1300 GT, the weather was horrendous and after a 4 hour wait  in the ferry harbour car park in Larne the Captain of the delayed ferry radioed ahead to say that he wouldn't take any more bikes on the return crossing as too many had been damaged on the previous crossing, so an unplanned night in a local hotel was enjoyed and we sailed the following morning.

The crossing was ROUGH and we arrived in torrential rain and very high winds, the normal 3 1/2 or so journey home took us over 7 hours... we were very wet, very cold and thoroughly miserable (the BM even had heated seats)

I made a certificate for Gill saying that she had qualified as a 'Gold Star' pillion for enduring such a journey.....she still rides pillion today  :028: 


The following year we returned from a weeks holiday in Cornwall in torrential rain all the way...it took 8 hours on my then GTR 1400...Gill still rides pillion....that woman must be made of steel  :4:   
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TowerMan on May 22, 2018, 03:00:19 PM


Ne'er cast a cloot till kin be oot

 :211: :211:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Rockdoc on May 22, 2018, 03:54:07 PM
It's " 'til May be out" in Derbyshire but nobody's sure if it means the month or the blossom, which has is usually open earlier.

Keith
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 22, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
….I made a certificate for Gill saying that she had qualified as a 'Gold Star' pillion for enduring such a journey.....she still rides pillion today  :028: 

 :762:

Now that was a great idea which I shamelessly copied. Seemed to go down well enough  :756:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: itlives on May 22, 2018, 07:21:16 PM
You had me going until you said "rush hour in Scotland "  🤣JK!
You'd probably think rush hour in Louisiana was waiting on a gaggle of alligators to clear the road! Gaggle, flock, herd, murder, heck, I don't know what a bunch of giant lizards are called.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Paul_Smith on May 22, 2018, 07:29:56 PM
*Originally Posted by itlives [+]
You had me going until you said "rush hour in Scotland "  🤣JK!
You'd probably think rush hour in Louisiana was waiting on a gaggle of alligators to clear the road! Gaggle, flock, herd, murder, heck, I don't know what a bunch of giant lizards are called.
According to this site http://www.collectivenouns.biz/list-of-collective-nouns/collective-nouns-animals/ (http://www.collectivenouns.biz/list-of-collective-nouns/collective-nouns-animals/), it is a Congregation of alligators or a Lounge of lizards.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 22, 2018, 07:50:33 PM
*Originally Posted by itlives [+]
You had me going until you said "rush hour in Scotland "  🤣JK!
You'd probably think rush hour in Louisiana was waiting on a gaggle of alligators to clear the road! Gaggle, flock, herd, murder, heck, I don't know what a bunch of giant lizards are called.

Fair point, I see how that sounds now. But there was a nasty hold up in Inverness that meant I actually had to stop the bike for a few seconds. Outrageous.

*Originally Posted by Paul_Smith [+]
According to this site http://www.collectivenouns.biz/list-of-collective-nouns/collective-nouns-animals/ (http://www.collectivenouns.biz/list-of-collective-nouns/collective-nouns-animals/), it is a Congregation of alligators or a Lounge of lizards.

I'm glad I missed natures collective nouns lesson in school. Congregation of Alligators, Lounge of lizards, Rhumba of Rattlesnakes, exultation of Skylarks....really?   :124:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Sonny on May 22, 2018, 08:10:02 PM
When you encounter such a group in the field, it is usually called a Hell of alligators. The etymology isn't hard to figure out: you are instantly thinking this is a hell of a lot of alligators I have walked up on, and you are also in the urgent process of getting the hell out of there.

Should they decide to pursue you, you had better have a fast boat, car or motorcycle because you will not outrun or outswim them and it's going to be a hell of a way to die.  :760:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: itlives on May 22, 2018, 08:27:46 PM
*Originally Posted by oldtimer [+]
Fair point, I see how that sounds now. But there was a nasty hold up in Inverness that meant I actually had to stop the bike for a few seconds. Outrageous.

You should go where Sonny lives! When I go west, it is usually late night, or WAY around Dallas/Fort Worth . Their regular traffic is a nightmare!
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TYKE on May 22, 2018, 08:32:40 PM
My favourite collective noun would be a murmuration ....did I spell it correctly  :question:    :002:     
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: itlives on May 22, 2018, 08:34:36 PM
*Originally Posted by TYKE [+]
My favourite collective noun would be a murmuration ....did I spell it correctly  :question:    :002:   
What's murmuration? Sounds like a collection of old church ladies after service.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TYKE on May 22, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
Nah, nothing like that its actually a posh name for a flock of Starlings  :002: 
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 23, 2018, 12:06:01 AM
*Originally Posted by itlives [+]
You should go where Sonny lives! When I go west, it is usually late night, or WAY around Dallas/Fort Worth . Their regular traffic is a nightmare!

Tricky isnt it? We have heavy, nightmare traffic in mostly glorious sun and heat, or a 5 minute wait whilst a few sheep escape onto the road in the cold and drizzle.  :4:

Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Sonny on May 23, 2018, 12:56:16 AM
Well, and you've got those ghastly roundabouts everywhere. When I see videos of folks riding through those things on the left side of the road, I shudder. They look like 24/7 accident scenes to me.

There are few roundabouts in the US. It probably goes back to the way ancient animal trails were arranged, but then Europe had the Holy Roman Empire setting everything up for centuries for their chariots and wagons, which would not present the same hazards as modern speeding cars trucks and motorcycles.

There are several roundabouts on the west side of Ft. Worth, and every trip through them is a close call of one kind or another.

But yes, Dallas is a Hell of Cars, and you've got to get through it to go down to the Hells of Cars in Austin, Houston and San Antonio.  :761:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: TYKE on May 23, 2018, 07:53:27 AM
*Originally Posted by Sonny [+]
Well, and you've got those ghastly roundabouts everywhere. When I see videos of folks riding through those things on the left side of the road, I shudder. They look like 24/7 accident scenes to me.

There are few roundabouts in the US. It probably goes back to the way ancient animal trails were arranged, but then Europe had the Holy Roman Empire setting everything up for centuries for their chariots and wagons, which would not present the same hazards as modern speeding cars trucks and motorcycles.

There are several roundabouts on the west side of Ft. Worth, and every trip through them is a close call of one kind or another.

But yes, Dallas is a Hell of Cars, and you've got to get through it to go down to the Hells of Cars in Austin, Houston and San Antonio.  :761:

I guess that for those that aren't familiar with our roundabout system it will look scary Sonny, they are something that we are used to ....'traffic approaching from the right has got right of way' is the ruling

There are some completely crazy roundabout arrangements in some cities though ....I have never seen this one and would find it very very confusing  :124:   

 
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 23, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
 ^^  :760:  ^^


Apart from the above design from a twisted mind, it's what you grow used to and to a great extent they do work Sonny. There are many times where nightmare junctions were replaced with an island and things flowed much better.


On our last trip over to the Gulf Coast we encountered an island at Clearwater and that was a nightmare as NOBODY seemed to know what they were doing.

The worst kind of islands are the 'mini' islands. As the name suggests, they are a tiny little island as small as 6 ft diameter. The problem with them is that they are often at a three way crossroads and irony states that frequently you will have three vehicles arrive at the same time. Give way to the right falls apart then and someone has to make a decision...usually, after a pause, everyone at the same time  :5:

I guess in a way it's similar to your 4 way stops. Give way to the right isn't it? They always trip me up when I'm in the States.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: itlives on May 23, 2018, 02:58:40 PM
And Mike was never seen again. Folks say he is still lost in the 7-way....
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: Sonny on May 23, 2018, 03:33:05 PM
The tricky thing about a roundabout, at least to me, is the way that everyone is turning, while merging from one lane to another depending on their entry point and exit point.

If everyone is courteous, observant and well behaved, then things work themselves out. But if a contestant is driving aggressively, or at the wrong speed, or confused or inattentive about where to exit the circle, then unpredictable things happen.

A roundabout is an efficient use of land for sorting out the junction of multiple roads, but it calls for competence from all drivers -- something we don't see in the US, perhaps because these junctions are not common.

A single lane roundabout is fairly orderly. You just yield when entering and go off where you choose. It's the multi-lane jobs that seem to get complicated very easily, because of drivers moving from lane to lane as they circle. Blind spots are always present when driving, but a roundabout gets those blind spots continually moving and sweeping around behind the driver.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: hobzinho on May 23, 2018, 07:11:22 PM
It's what you're used to.  Roundabouts are proven to be much more efficient intersections than the typical 4 way stops we have in the US.  But we are a stubborn bunch and just like we refuse to embrace the metric system (far superior) we don't seem to want to give up heritage for greener (and safer and more efficient) pastures.   :157:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 23, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
Aye, it is what you're used to, brought up with and taught as we learned to drive so it's just instinctive now.

Without going into too much boring detail and derailing my own thread even more, most if not all multi lane roundabouts have clearly labelled road markings and signs and is never really left to the motorists judgement (unless the markings have faded!). So for example you often have three lanes approaching a large roundabout. The left could be left only, the middle straight on and the right say right only. So in that situation as you join the island, stay to the right for right turn, middle for straight on and so on. If you were going right on the island, the lane markings (usually) steer you over to the middle and then the left for when you veer off onto the road you want.

Having said all that, it does often turn into a free-for-all during rush hours and city centres and you do need to have your wits about you. But that applies to everywhere. If you're from that place, you know what to do. If not....be afraid. I know I'm afraid when I go to London or Manchester now, but when I lived there, I knew the rules.


ANd yeah, metric is generally better, but MPH rules  :152:
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 23, 2018, 10:36:37 PM
Oh yeah, and just to ensure that I completely derail this thread, the way you are allowed to turn right on a red over there is a great idea!   
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: itlives on May 23, 2018, 10:48:00 PM
Well, it started out as a good intro thread! Got lost in a 7-way round-a-bout!
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 23, 2018, 10:58:58 PM
 :mfr_lol:

Nice one. Probably my fault there...
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: schnuffi on May 24, 2018, 09:14:47 PM
Heck of a roundabout that one.  Surely not in UK.
I used to live in Germany and often wandered into Holland.  Their roundabouts worried me because whatever the system, cycles (push bikes) had the right of way over any other users.  Lots of cycling teams in Holland.
Ever been to Milton Keynes?
I'm a fair weather rider these days.  I purposely look for non-waterproof gear and then carry a waterproof overtop that folds very small.  I have an all season set that I have removed the waterproof lining from.
Title: Re: It's official. I'm a born again biker....
Post by: oldtimer on May 24, 2018, 11:07:54 PM
*Originally Posted by schnuffi [+]
Heck of a roundabout that one.  Surely not in UK.

I'm a fair weather rider these days.  I purposely look for non-waterproof gear and then carry a waterproof overtop that folds very small.  I have an all season set that I have removed the waterproof lining from.

Yeah, it certainly is. I couldn't believe it either so I had to check. Stick this into Google Maps and see it in all it's *ahem* glory: 51°33'46.1"N 1°46'17.3"W

Back on topic (thanks  :152: ) I'm a fair weather rider myself now, but living in Scotland I need to prepare for the unreliable weather as Sunday showed!

So, to keep costs down I'll just get a one piece for the good lady and myself. Problem is, I can't find any good named one's available in Large. Everything is sold out  :027: